and i don't think the general population is going to go for it. >> neil: what did you make of john mccain's argument to the town-hallers, we got a wall. a wall is up. we're moving along on enforcing the border and policing it, and this guy didn't buy it. this critic of the senator's. arizona just of the view we're just dropping the ball on enforcing and looking after the bored? >> our bored is not secure. our fences aren't completed. we don't have enough people on the ground. i was just town there last week. within with the national guard. i was in a blackhawk. i saw them on the other side. the drug cartels, ready to come across the n the middle of the night. it is not secure. the ranchers will tell you, if you sit down and talk to them, they're fearful, the border patrol is too far north. they need to get closer to the border because they let them go so far, and then they blend in, and they're destroying their land and destroying their cattle, destroying their water, they're frustrated. and i believe that until the ranchers, law enforcement, is satisfied and the border is secured, there's